Last month a blog here revealed an account of a crashed Avro Lancaster bomber on a training flight on 23rd October 1943, and very close to Warren Farm, Colney Heath. The details of the event had been meticulously recorded, but what brought the story to our attention was the account of a group of scouts allegedly in the area at the time and who carried out the very brave deed of removing bombs from the stricken plane and carrying them a safe distance from the farmhouse, without knowing that they were not carrying live ordnance.
Further research has now been carried out and it seems likely that two separate stories may have been conflated, and no further information about a group of scouts related to a plane crash has yet been revealed. There is still the possibility that scouts were present, but rather later, and were not participants in the recovery. Scouts at camp enjoy retelling stories around a camp fire. No-one that I can recall from my scouting days ever told me that I could not share a story unless it was true – the phrase "camp fire yarns" comes to mind, and a yarn definitely leans towards a story with an invented core!
Both Colney Heath and St Albans Fire Brigades were in attendance after the crash, with Jack Deuxberry driving the St Albans engine. Jack was one of those who is said to have removed the ordnance onto a waiting lorry. Possibly to offer encouragement the Chief Officer suggested this would be medal work. However, awards would later be denied because the bombs were not live. Sections of the Lancaster were strewn over a wide area, including Smallford, the nearby bypass and Colney Heath itself.
Inevitably, I doubt whether we have heard the last of this event. There are many wartime photos of crashed Lancasters, but it seems the Herts Advertiser did not publish this one, even if it could have identified the location as "somewhere in Southern England".
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Saturday, 30 March 2019
Monday, 18 February 2019
Piecing Together a Story
In this and the next post I'll explore further a couple of incomplete stories which have been reported and re-told, in the hope that further details might come to light.
This post focuses on a 1943 account of a military incident which, in itself, has been well-recorded and is available to view on the internet, and I don't doubt its level of accuracy, given the source – Military History Forum. It concerns a training flight by an RAF Lancaster on 22nd October 1943. The flight was notable for us in that the plane crashed into a field at Warren Farm near Colney Heath. All details of the flight had been recorded, including the names of the crew of seven who were all killed in the wreckage. Even more, the places where they were all buried. A book has even been published of the incident.
So far the story recorded is of the flight, the plane and the crew. But others were also part of the story, and saw or heard the event as bystanders; maybe in contacting the authorities or attempting to give assistance. Elements of the account are circumstantial; with little or no evidence recorded. So we would love to learn their experience in this dreadful crash.
It is alleged that a group of scouts were in the vicinity that night. They may have been undertaking their own scout activities – night hikes, camping, wide games – or may have been present on observational duties on behalf of the Air Raid Precautions. It is said that the boys observed the crash and how the plane presented itself after it had broken up on impact. Exposed were the contents of the bomb bay. The proximity of the crash to the nearby farm house and other buildings posed a potential risk to life and property, and the scouts made what might be considered by some a reckless decision; by others a selfless act of group bravery. An unknown number of bombs were carefully removed from their splintered compartment and carried to relative safety a distance away from the flames engulfing part of the plane.
The usual post-crash evaluations were made, the remains of the plane recovered and the bodies removed from the site. The scouts resumed their duties and presumably returned home to bed. It would be presumed that for such service the scouts would have been honoured with a bravery award; not that the boys would have been expecting to be rewarded; after all, they were scouts. Nevertheless, a fuss ensued in the period of time which followed. The obvious question: why were they not recipients of an award? The reason given was that an award was quite unnecessary as the bombs were not live, given that they had been loaded onto a training flight. But, of course, the scouts did not know they were dummies and carried out their duties as if they handling live ammunition.
The scout element in the Lancaster crash story needs to be credited with some authenticity and so far the author has not discovered it. Even the detailed book Milestones of 105 Years of Hertfordshire Scouting, compiled by Hertfordshire Scout Historian Frank Brittain does not relate the event. So, now it is open to all of us to take the story further if we know of evidence. The scouts themselves if still alive would now be in their late eighties, but their accounts may have been passed down through their children or grandchildren.
How much, if any, of the above account is true? Do respond if you have any relevant details you could contribute.
This post focuses on a 1943 account of a military incident which, in itself, has been well-recorded and is available to view on the internet, and I don't doubt its level of accuracy, given the source – Military History Forum. It concerns a training flight by an RAF Lancaster on 22nd October 1943. The flight was notable for us in that the plane crashed into a field at Warren Farm near Colney Heath. All details of the flight had been recorded, including the names of the crew of seven who were all killed in the wreckage. Even more, the places where they were all buried. A book has even been published of the incident.
So far the story recorded is of the flight, the plane and the crew. But others were also part of the story, and saw or heard the event as bystanders; maybe in contacting the authorities or attempting to give assistance. Elements of the account are circumstantial; with little or no evidence recorded. So we would love to learn their experience in this dreadful crash.
It is alleged that a group of scouts were in the vicinity that night. They may have been undertaking their own scout activities – night hikes, camping, wide games – or may have been present on observational duties on behalf of the Air Raid Precautions. It is said that the boys observed the crash and how the plane presented itself after it had broken up on impact. Exposed were the contents of the bomb bay. The proximity of the crash to the nearby farm house and other buildings posed a potential risk to life and property, and the scouts made what might be considered by some a reckless decision; by others a selfless act of group bravery. An unknown number of bombs were carefully removed from their splintered compartment and carried to relative safety a distance away from the flames engulfing part of the plane.
The usual post-crash evaluations were made, the remains of the plane recovered and the bodies removed from the site. The scouts resumed their duties and presumably returned home to bed. It would be presumed that for such service the scouts would have been honoured with a bravery award; not that the boys would have been expecting to be rewarded; after all, they were scouts. Nevertheless, a fuss ensued in the period of time which followed. The obvious question: why were they not recipients of an award? The reason given was that an award was quite unnecessary as the bombs were not live, given that they had been loaded onto a training flight. But, of course, the scouts did not know they were dummies and carried out their duties as if they handling live ammunition.
The scout element in the Lancaster crash story needs to be credited with some authenticity and so far the author has not discovered it. Even the detailed book Milestones of 105 Years of Hertfordshire Scouting, compiled by Hertfordshire Scout Historian Frank Brittain does not relate the event. So, now it is open to all of us to take the story further if we know of evidence. The scouts themselves if still alive would now be in their late eighties, but their accounts may have been passed down through their children or grandchildren.
How much, if any, of the above account is true? Do respond if you have any relevant details you could contribute.
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