A rather similar puzzlement comes over people when they feel there is a simple answer to the question, where exactly is Fleetville. It is a question I am often asked. Of course, most inquirers do know where it is – on the east side of St Albans – but like all of us we cannot be sure where its boundaries lie.
As with most smaller towns St Albans has never placed the names of its suburbs along its main roads, although Watford at one time did. Suburbs such as North Watford, Garston and Oxhey were announced as you approached them. A few towns provide additional information on their street plates, usually on a coloured band, so that everyone knows exactly whether you are in one suburb or another. Other authorities use the first part of a postcode, but these only loosely define where you are.
The next issue is whether you can draw a reasonably accurate boundary around Fleetville. St Albans City & District Council voting wards of Clarence and Ashley together include Fleetville, but they also spread further, so those sources are probably not helpful. Few residents north of Brampton Road will tell you they live in Fleetville. But they probably don't live in Marshalswick either.
Possibly more Camp residents ally themselves with Fleetville, but there is a permanent difference of opinion about where Fleetville ends and Camp begins, or perhaps Camp is a part of what could be called wider Fleetville. How far must one walk west along Hatfield Road to leave Fleetville and enter – well where? – Crown perhaps. In the easterly direction, does Fleetville merge into Oaklands, or is there something in between? Beaumonts maybe.
Only in recent years have local direction signs appeared pointing the direction to places such as Fleetville and Quadrant.
Naming where we live is very personal, and there are countless examples of people refusing to add a name to their address for a reason which is valid for them, but maybe not for others. A sizeable body of residents living in Twickenham still insist they live in Middlesex, though their borough, Richmond, replaced the ancient county name nearly half a century ago.
Fleetville Community Centre informs us that their area of benefit – the area they officially serve – is between Clarence Road and Colney Heath Lane, and from Sandpit Lane to Camp Road. So that is another Fleetville.
Perhaps our blog readers can let us know whether or not they live in Fleetville.
4 comments:
The article 'Naming of where we are' was interesting and very thought provoking. I have always thought of Fleetville as the stretch of Hatfield Road between The Crown and its juncture with Ashley Road and Beechwood Avenue.
I went to school in Fleetville (Sandfield Girls') and I worked in Fleetville (Ballito) but I definitely never considered that I lived in Fleetville, having been brought up in Camp View Road. Going north, I suppose I would draw the boundary at the end of the streets running from Hatfield Road to Brampton Road and south at the old railway line, but, in essence, Fleetville to me was the 'mile'of shops along the Hatfield Road. However, that is just my opinion and it would be interesting to learn what others have to say
Joan Johnson
I was born in 1938 when the Beaumont Estate was first built. I lived a lot of my life in Oakwood Drive, and we always thought of ourselves as living in Oaklands, not Fleetville. The Primary School was in Fleetville, which was a bus ride away if it was raining, as were the nearest food shops (except Jones the butcher who was in Oaklands). The local shops came later. I remember the concrete road surface and the open spaces where the houses had not yet been built.
Thanks very much for your comment, Anonymous. I'd forgotten that the road was concrete sections; the only one on the estate to be treated like that. If I'm right it didn't stretch all the way to Central Drive. It must have been laid by Mr Burgess, who built many of those houses – lots of bungalows. Glad to know you considered you lived in Oaklands – shorter journey to the shops of course. Although we knew it was the Beaumonts estate, if we were asked where we lived we said "Off Beechwood Avenue!", because no-one else knew where Woodland Drive was, and in any case often confused it with Woodlands Avenue (now Sherwood Avenue). Oakwood Drive was important to us because that is where the school is. Great to hear from you.
I was born in 1974 and lived at 74 Sutton Road (opposite the Camp fish and chip shop) before moving to Royston Road in 1983. I remember always being told that our Sutton Road house was "the last house in Fleetville" and our next-door neighbours in Camp View Road lived in the Camp estate.
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